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WHERE DOES ROB BELL STAND REGARDING THE PRACTICE OF HOMOSEXUALITY?

WHERE DOES ROB BELL STAND REGARDING THE PRACTICE OF HOMOSEXUALITY?

He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. (Titus 1:9)

It Is The Job Of The Pastor To Clearly Articulate Sound Doctrine For His Flock

As near as I can tell, sadly, there really doesn’t seem to have been much interest in the following disclosure by Emerging Church theologian Tony Jones, who despite our differences I do respect for going on the record publicly, when he confesses:

And yet, all the time I could feel myself drifting toward acceptance that gay persons are fully human persons and should be afforded all of the cultural and ecclesial benefits that I am.  (”Aha!” my critics will laugh derisively, “I knew he and his ilk were on a continuous leftward slide!”)

In any case, I now believe that GLBTQ can live lives in accord with biblical Christianity (at least as much as any of us can!) and that their monogamy can and should be sanctioned and blessed by church and state. (Online source, bold theirs)

To his credit Tony Jones is speaking candidly and clearly on his position and the time has arrived for others in the very popular Emergent Church, which is affecting scores of younger people even within conservative mainstream evangelical churches, to also be man enough to go on the record with their views concerning a critical issue around which the very real possibility of hate crime laws revolve. And this is precisely why I asked the question: Will Rob Bell Now Follow Tony Jones Out Of The Closet?

You see, I happen to care a great deal for young people and I am greatly grieved that this postliberal cult of the Emerging Church is allowed to hold court in a rapidly growing circle of mainstream evangelical youth groups thus crippling their faith. In Emergent Wolves Enter Your Sheep Pens Through Youth Groups I showed you what Emerging Church pastor Dan Kimball has revealed in his book Emerging Worship: Creating Worship Gatherings for New Generations in regard to their standard methodology:

The staff at one church in rural Oklahoma…fully believed they needed to start making changes in the way they worshipped in order to be in line with the emerging culture and emerging generations… These staff members were afraid, however, to try anything too radical. After all, they served in a very conservative Baptist church…

they started by slowly adding a few things to their youth meetings. They corporately read ancient creeds and prayers. The lit candles and had times of silent prayer. They allowed the youth to paint during a worship time. They practiced lectio divina or “sacred reading,” the ancient practice of prayerful meditation on Scripture. Not all at once, but little by little they added these elements of worship to their existing meetings…

It was a huge step for them…the staff are planning to have monthly emerging worship gathering for youth (and adults of any age who want to come)… Eventually the church wants to turn the monthly worship gathering into a weekly one. (102, emphasis his)

And that really is a pretty clear picture of the old adage about the frog in the kettle. And the huge influence of Emerging icon Rob Bell lies in his vague and seemingly innocuous Nooma DVDs along with his mystic musings now having the support of more and more youth ministers. With this in mind then a reader of Apprising Ministries wrote me today to share an email they had sent to Mars Hill Bible Church asking a straightforward question and the non-reply they received back. Essentially we could phrase their question this way:

Where does your teaching pastor Rob Bell stand concerning the following question — Can someone who is unrepentant in their practicing of a homosexual lifestyle also become a Christian?

Now such a question would appear to be straightforward and could actually be answered with a simple yes, or, a no. For example, were I as a pastor to be asked that same question my answer would be: No, I’m afraid they could not. The Bible is very clear that the practice of homosexuality is a sin (see—Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10) and for someone to become a Christian they must repent of [i.e. forsake, turn away from] their sin (see—Mark 1:14-15; Acts 20:21).

But unfortunately an honest question to Rob Bell and MHBC on such a crucial issue of our time was met with a mere form letter from a “michelle.” The opening line of the letter is a hope that one will feel this non-response will be “helpful”; even in spite of the fact that it “might not answer all your questions or concerns.” Certainly we would expect that MHBC and Bell, like any large conglomeration, would receive mail at such a ”volume” that it does prove “difficult” to be precise “in each instance.”

Then the recipient of this form letter from michelle of “Mars Hill Communications” is told:

We care deeply how Scripture is interpreted and how to discern living the way of Jesus, and in encountering differing viewpoints it is our aim to agree or disagree in love, keeping central a shared desire to know God and serve Jesus Christ. Regarding your comments or questions, we’d like to direct you to our mission http://www.marshill.org/mission, Narrative Theology http://www.marshill.org/believe,

Directions http://www.marshill.org/believe/directions [shared values], and serving focus http://www.marshill.org/serving, available at marshill.org. You might also find our recent audio teachings http://www.marshill.org/teaching/podcast.php and archived series http://www.marshill.org/teaching/other.php as well as Rob Bell’s recommended reading list http://www.marshill.org/about/rob/recommendedReadingList.php to be beneficial.

Right; so this is offered in the hope that people will encourage Rob Bell, who is without a doubt one of the most popular people in the visible church, to make the time to at least do up a form letter which answers the question: Can someone who is unrepentant in their practicing of a homosexual lifestyle also become a Christian? After all, I’m constantly told how Jesus-centered and Biblical Bell’s teaching is; well Rob Bell, where do you stand; because Jesus answers the question—No.

http://apprising.org/2008/12/where-does-rob-bell-stand-regarding-the-practice-of-homosexuality/

Students Given Graphic Instruction in Homosexual Sex


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Students Given Graphic Instruction In Homosexual SexSee also: Fistgate Scandal In A Nutshell

This is a reprint of a story which broke the Fistgate scandal in the May issue of Massachusetts News. We advise caution. Even though this is what the state is teaching to children as young as 12-years of age, it is extremely offensive. Over 1,000,000 citizens have now seen this story which was written by two of the outraged parents.

By Brian Camenker and Scott Whiteman

“Fisting [forcing one’s entire hand into another person’s rectum or vagina] often gets a bad rap….[It’s] an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with…[and] to put you into an exploratory mode.”

The above quotation comes from Massachusetts Department of Education employees describing the pleasures of homosexual sex to a group of high school students at a state-sponsored workshop on March 25, 2000.

On March 25, a statewide conference, called “Teach-Out,” was sponsored by the Massachusetts Department of Education, the Governor’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth, and the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network.

Among the goals were to build more Gay/Straight Alliances in Massachusetts and expand homosexual teaching into the lower grades. Scores of gay-friendly teachers and administrators attended. They received state “professional development credits.”

Teenagers and children as young as 12 were encouraged to come from around the state, and many were bussed in from their home districts. Homosexual activists from across the country were also there.

To say that the descriptions below of workshops and presentations of this state-sponsored event for educators and children are “every parent’s nightmare,” does not do them justice. It is beyond belief that this could be happening at all. One music teacher who attended out of curiosity said that she could not sleep for several nights afterwards and had nightmares about it.

“Queer sex for youth, 14-21”
In one well-attended workshop, “What They Didn’t Tell You About Queer Sex & Sexuality In Health Class: A Workshop For Youth Only, Ages 14-21,” the three homosexual presenters acting in their professional capacities coaxed about 20 children into talking openly and graphically about homosexual sex. The three presenters, who described themselves as homosexual, were:

  • Margot E. Abels, Coordinator, HIV/AIDS Program, Massachusetts Dept. of Education
  • Julie Netherland, Coordinator, HIV/AIDS Program, Massachusetts Dept. of Education
  • Michael Gaucher, Consultant, HIV/AIDS Program, Massachusetts Dept. of Public Health

The workshop syllabus included:

  • “What’s it like to be young, queer and beginning to date?
  • “Are lesbians at risk for HIV?

“We will address the information you want about queer sexuality and some of the politics that prevent us from getting our needs met.”The workshop opened with the three public employees asking the children “how they knew, as gay people, whether or not they’ve had sex.” Questions were thrown around the room about whether oral sex was “sex,” to which the Department of Public Health employee stated, “If that’s not sex, then the number of times I’ve had sex has dramatically decreased, from a mountain to a valley, baby.” Eventually the answer presented itself, and it was determined that whenever an orifice was filled with genitalia, then sex had occurred. The Department of Public Health employee, Michael Gaucher, had the following exchange with one student, who appeared to be about 16 years old:

Michael Gaucher: “What orifices are we talking about?”
Student: [hesitation]
Michael Gaucher: “Don’t be shy, honey; you can do it.”
Student: “Your mouth.”
Michael Gaucher: “Okay.”
Student: “Your ass.”
Michael Gaucher: “There you go.”
Student: “Your pussy. That kind of place.”

But since sex occurred “when an orifice was filled,” the next question was how lesbians could “have sex.” Margot Abels discussed whether a dildo had to be involved; when it was too big or too small; and what homosexual resources students could consult to get similar questions answered.

Role playing and “carpet munching”
Then the children were asked to role-play. One student was to act the part of “a young lesbian who’s really enraptured with another woman, and it’s really coming down to the wire and you’re thinking about having sex.” The other student played the “hip GSA (gay, straight alliance) lesbian advisor, who you feel you can talk to.” The “counseling” included discussions of lesbian sex, oral-vaginal contact, or “carpet munching,” as one student put it. The student asked whether it would smell like fish. At that point the session turned to another subject.

“A lesson in fisting?”
There was a five minute pause so that all of the teenagers could write down questions for the homosexual presenters. The first question was read by Julie Netherland, “What’s fisting?”

A student answered this question by informing the class that “fisting” is when you put your “whole hand into the ass or pussy” of another. When a few of the students winced, the Department of Public Health employee offered, “A little known fact about fisting: you don’t make a fist like this. It’s like this.” He formed his hand into the shape of a tear drop rather than a balled fist. He informed the children that it was much easier.

Margot Abels told the students that “fisting” is not about forcing your hand into somebody’s “hole, opening or orifice” if they don’t want it there. She said that “usually” the person was very relaxed and opened him or herself up to the other. She informed the class that it is a very emotional and intense experience.

At this point, a youngster of about 16 asked why someone would want to do that. He stated that if the hand were pulled out quickly, the whole thing didn’t sound very appealing to him. Margot Abels was quick to point out that although fisting “often gets a really bad rap,” it usually isn’t about the pain, “not that we’re putting that down.” Margot Abels informed him and the class that “fisting” was “an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with.” When a child asked the question, “Why would someone do this?” Margot Abels provided a comfortable response to the children, in order to “put them into an exploratory mode.”

“Rubbing each others’ clits…”
Michael Gaucher presented the next question, “Do lesbians rub their clits together?”

Michael Gaucher and Margot Abels asked the kids if they thought it was possible and whether someone would do a “hand-diagram” for the class. No one volunteered, but a girl who looked about 15 or 16 then stepped up to the board and drew a three foot high vagina and labeled each of the labia, the clitoris, and “put up inside the ‘G’-spot.” While drawing, Michael Gaucher told her to use the “pink” chalk, to which Margot Abels responded, “Not everyone is pink, honey.” All of the children laughed.

After the chalk vagina was complete, the children remarked on the size of the “clit,” and the presenters stated that that was a gifted woman. Then Margot Abels informed all of the young girls that, indeed, you can rub your “clitori” together, either with or without clothes and “you can definitely orgasm from it.” Michael Gaucher told the kids that “there is a name for this: tribadism,” which he wrote on the board and told one girl who looked about 14 to “bring that vocabulary word back to Bedford.” Julie Netherland informed the children that it wasn’t too difficult because, “When you are sexually aroused, your clit gets bigger.”

“Should you spit after you suck another boy (or a man)?”
Michael Gaucher read the following from a card: “Cum and calories: Spit versus swallow and the health concerns.” Gaucher informed the children that although he didn’t know the calorie count of male ejaculation, he has “heard that it’s sweeter if people eat celery.” He then asked the boys, “Is it rude not to swallow?” Many of the high school boys mumbled “No,” but one about the age of 16 said emphatically, “Oh no!” One boy, again about the age of 16, offered his advice on avoiding HIV/AIDS transmission while giving oral sex by not brushing your teeth or eating course food for four hours before you “go down on a guy,” “because then you probably don’t want to be swallowing cum.”

Another question asked was whether oral sex was better with tongue rings. A 16-year-old student murmured, “Yes,” to which all of the children laughed. Michael Gaucher said, “There you have it” and stated something to the effect that the debate has ended.

Use a condom? It’s your decision, really.

One often hears that there is an aggressive HIV/AIDS prevention campaign, but the session ran 55 minutes before the first mention of “protection” and safer sex came. In the context of the “safer sex” discussion, however, it was pointed out that these children could make an “informed decision” not to use a condom. Outside in the conference hall, the children could easily obtain as many condoms, vaginal condoms and other contraceptive devices as they wished from various organizations which distribute such.

Well, yes…it really is about sex!
Another popular session was presented by the same three public employees in their professional capacity and was called, “Putting the ‘Sex’ Back Into Sexual Orientation: Classroom Strategies for Health & Sexuality Educators.”
The workshop included:

What does it mean to say “being gay, lesbian and bisexual isn’t about sex?…How can we deny that sexuality is central for all of us? How do we learn to address the unique concerns of queer youth?…This workshop is for educators to examine strategies for integrating sexuality education and HIV prevention content specific to gay, lesbian and bisexual students into the classroom and GSA’s….additional strategies will be discussed.”

The three presenters now assumed the task of teaching teachers how to facilitate discussions about “queer sex” with their students.

Tired of denying it
Margot Abels opened by telling the room full of teachers (and two high school students), “We always feel like we are fighting against people who deny publicly, who say privately, that being queer is not at all about sex… We believe otherwise. We think that sex is central to every single one of us and particularly queer youth.”

Margot Abels, Julie Netherland and Michael Gaucher reviewed a few “campaigns” that have been used to demonstrate to queer youth how to best “be safe” while still enjoying homosexual sex.

The campaign, “Respect yourself, protect yourself,” was thought to be good in getting the message to kids that they should use protection, but since it made children who didn’t protect themselves feel bad, it ultimately was a poor message. Michael Gaucher pointed out that children “with an older partner that they are not feeling they can discuss things with, does that mean that they don’t respect themselves?”

The campaign, “No sex, no problem,” was ridiculed, as the campaign assumed that children could opt not to have sex. Additionally, the campaign made those children who had already had sex feel bad or think they had a problem, since they had had sex.

After reviewing a few of the campaigns, Margot Abels described the project she works on. The “Gay/Straight Alliance HIV Education Project” goes to five different schools each year conducting up to eight “HIV prevention sessions” in that school’s gay club. These same presenters who just told a group of children how to properly position their hands for “fisting” were now telling a room full of educators that they would visit their schools and conduct the same workshops for their students.

An enormous amount of very disturbing material was distributed at the conference. Much of it encourages young children to become actively engaged in homosexual activities. The Sidney Borum Community Health Center table was giving out a cassette sized “pocket sex” kit, which included two condoms, two antiseptic “moist” towelettes, and six bandages, which were for “when the sex got really rough,” according to the high school volunteer behind the desk. There was a supply of condoms supplied by both Sidney Borum and Planned Parenthood, all of which were for the taking. Children as young as 12 or 13 participating and receiving “information” and materials.

But most shocking of all was that there was an eerie sense of solidarity in the air, against “those bigots who would stop our progress.”

Fistgate Scandal In A NutshellSince most citizens still do not understand the significance of the Fistgate scandal, here it is in a nutshell.

  • Should the schools be encouraging teenagers to be sexually active as they did at Fistgate?
  • Has the homosexual community violated our trust? Do they take money that is supposed to be for violence and HIV prevention and use it instead to promote sexual activity by teenagers?
  • Is the teacher, Margot E. Abels (who was terminated by the state as a result of the scandal) correct when she told the Boston Globe that she was only a scapegoat? She said that what was done at Fistgate (by her and other homosexual activists) is “absolutely sanctioned by the department [of education].” She said, “It’s standard….The department has always given us its full support – until now.”

Prepping Kids for Sex Change – It’s a Sick, Sick World

Prepping Kids for Sex Change

It’s a Sick, Sick World

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He has been called “demonic,” “barbaric,” and has been compared to Nazi doctors. And when you read about his work, it is easy to see why Americans are so outraged. Dr. Norman Spack is a pediatric endocrinologist at Boston Children’s Hospital. Not long ago, he opened a clinic for what he terms “transgendered” children. Incredibly, he is giving kids as young as seven drugs that delay the onset of puberty—the first step in sex-change surgery when they are older.

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Spack injects children with hormone-blocking drugs to prevent them from developing secondary sexual characteristics, like breasts or facial hair. The idea is to give them a few more years to make up their minds if they want to be male—or female.

When these kids hit their teen years, they are given the option of taking cross-hormones for a few years—which will allow them to develop the characteristics of the opposite sex. Tragically, the treatment will condemn these teenagers to lifelong infertility.

Spack appears to think that that is a reasonable trade-off for teens who feel they are trapped in the body of the opposite sex: After all, the cross-hormone treatments will make it easier for them to “pass” as the opposite sex. For instance, men will not grow as tall as they normally would, nor will they develop beards or Adam’s apples.

In a fawning article about Spack, the Boston Globe referred to his treatment of gender-confused children as “modern medical care.” Medical care, my eye! This is medical mayhem. It is unconscionable.

Dr. Paul McHugh, a distinguished professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University, agrees: He says that treating these children with hormones “does considerable harm, and it compounds their confusion. Trying to delay puberty or change someone’s gender,” he added, “is a rejection of the lawfulness of nature.”

Dr. McHugh knows what he is talking about. He and psychiatrist Jon Myer studied men who received sex-change operations at Johns Hopkins. His conclusion? “That Hopkins was fundamentally cooperating with a mental illness.” Better, McHugh thought, to concentrate on fixing their minds instead of taking the more drastic step of changing their sex.

Thanks to the research of Myer and others, this practice was stopped at Johns Hopkins. And it became possible to begin to make sense of the mental disorders that were driving the request for the surgeries.

So why are doctors like Spack altering young bodies instead of treating confused minds?

The answer is that many doctors have embraced the modern teaching that sexual identity, rather than being biologically determined, is a preference or a choice. According to this, people should be allowed to choose whatever sex they want to be.

But both science and the Bible teach otherwise: God created us male and female in His image. Shots and surgeries and politically correct teachings cannot alter this fundamental truth.

Tragically, some parents are now buying into this false teaching—and allowing their children to undergo destructive treatments.

You and I need to be spreading the word that legitimate treatment is available for people suffering from gender confusion—and it is a treatment that does not sacrifice the well-being of children to the political agendas of adults.

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From BreakPoint®, July 8, 2008, Copyright 2008, Prison Fellowship Ministries. Reprinted with the permission of Prison Fellowship Ministries. All rights reserved. May not be reproduced or distributed without the express written permission of Prison Fellowship Ministries. “BreakPoint®” and “Prison Fellowship Ministries®” are registered trademarks of Prison Fellowship

From Crayons to Condoms

From Crayons to Condoms

By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | 8/4/2008

Frontpage Interview’s guests today are Karen Holgate and Steve Baldwin, the co-editors of the new book From Crayons to Condoms.Karen Holgate is a nationally known advocate for education reform. Her articles and policy reports have appeared in publications including the Congressional Quarterly, Investors Business Daily, the Washington Times, and Insight Magazine. She has appeared on CBS, NBC and Fox news shows.

Steve Baldwin is currently the Executive Director of the Council for National Policy and is formerly the chairman of the California Legislature’s Education Committee.

FP: Karen Holgate and Steve Baldwin, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Holgate: Thank you.

Baldwin: Thanks for interviewing us.

FP: Give us a brief overview of what is taking place in public schools today. Why is this happening?

Holgate: We are seeing a dramatic shift in education from “effective” education, meaning concrete academics, to “affective” education, meaning the teaching of attitudes, values, beliefs and behaviors. One of the reasons for this “shift” is that activist legislators are mandating that teachers divert valuable classroom time from solid academics to the promotion of personal agendas.

Baldwin: Our schools have become laboratories for social engineering and are no longer places where knowledge is transmitted.

FP: What are some ways that valuable classroom time is wasted in our public schools? Tell us some of the more bizarre examples.

Baldwin: Whole language, death education, New Math, cooperative learning, inventive spelling and many other fads that have little to do with education.

Holgate: Under the guise of “tolerance” and reducing “hate crimes,” students are often indoctrinated with the idea that there is no difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality even though what is being taught may violate the personal or religious beliefs of many of the students and their families. Homosexual, bi-sexual, and transgendered panels are often brought in to discuss their lifestyles. However, heterosexuals are not usually a part of any discussion.

Certainly no student should ever be bullied, harassed, or ridiculed. However, classes are not needed for that; any student who harms or bullies another child for any reason should be disciplined. If we really want to address tolerance then we need to respect – and yes, tolerate — differences of opinion. Unfortunately, that is not being done in many classrooms across America. Far too often, students who voice any opinion different than that being taught are labeled “intolerant.”

FP: What are some examples of the explicit and graphic information about sex that is being taught in public schools?

Holgate: Before I answer that I want to explain that Steve and I had long discussions about whether to include some of the actual language and material that is used in classrooms. We finally decided that we would include some examples with both a disclaimer and a warning. Our decision was based on the fact that if the material is too explicit and crude for parents to see then it is that much worse for our children. Some of the examples include references to performing oral sex or using saran wrap as an alternative to an “oral dam.” Other examples show how core academics are infiltrated with sexual references. For instance, an American history class invited the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Speaker’s Bureau to address the class about Civil Rights. The same class included a handout that said that students don’t receive enough information about safe-sex including male-to-male sex in the teen population.

Baldwin: Current sex ed programs are based upon the bogus Kinsey theory that children are sexual creatures and thus should be taught early on how to be sexual. Perversity and pornography are rampant in sex ed today.

FP: Describe the required courses in “death education” that now actually encourage teen depression and suicide. Also tell us about the math classes in which students are instructed to write about how they “feel” about math rather than actually doing math.

Baldwin: Death ed is when children are exposed to games and literature that focus on morbid themes, the result being that some kids are pushed over the line. New Math is commonplace today and that is when teaching feelings trumps computational skills.

Holgate: It isn’t unusual for children – as young as elementary school age – to be asked to write their own epitaphs on their tombstones. One teacher asked students to write about being “done in by someone they loved.” In other words, have the child write about someone they loved murdering them. Psychologists who reviewed the material were concerned that teachers not trained in psychology could generate real conflict in a child’s life and not be aware of it. One told us that these types of exercises are not necessary for healthy children but could be disastrous for a troubled child.

The idea of integrated curricula drives much of today’s education. Death ed is just one area. Another is integrated math in which teachers are instructed to engage children’s emotions. One third grade math curriculum instructed teachers to use examples such as “Freddie Kruger, my death brother, maggots, monsters with big eyes,” etc. The parents of one of those students reported that their daughter was having nightmares and started coming into their room at night because she was so scared. They finally traced it to her math class.

FP: Can you talk a little bit about how schools too often promote “self-esteem” at the expense of other things and why this is harmful?

Holgate: Too often we hear that a student’s work is not corrected or a higher grade is given so that the child’s “self-esteem” is not damaged. For instance, creative or inventive spelling is discussed in the book. The idea is that correcting a student’s bad spelling will in some way harm the child. Yet the reality is that self-esteem cannot be awarded, it is earned through accomplishment.

Baldwin: Self esteem has now taken the place of real work in our schools so it’s really a fake self esteem that ends up doing more harm than good. Children are being praised for lousy work and even work they didn’t do.

FP: The liberal-Left was up in arms for a long time to shut down prayer in public schools, but now praying to Allah has become an everyday thing and the lib-Left says nothing about it. Tell us about this phenomenon and why the Left is silent.

Baldwin: The movement to eliminate religion from schools was essentially a movement to eliminate Christianity; other religions — especially Islam and new age — are being promoted in schools throughout the nation.

Holgate: We’ve all heard stories about teachers and students not being allowed to pray in schools or bring their Bibles to school. But unfortunately, when it comes to Islam there is a new standard. As the stories in From Crayons to Condoms show, Islam is not always being taught just as a comparative religion class but actually involves students in Islamic religious rituals. One teacher reported that while she was substitute teaching she was instructed to leave the classroom for an hour while another school employee came to the classroom to lead the students in their prayers to Allah. Certainly the ACLU would file a lawsuit if a public school led children in prayers to God.

FP: Can our schools be saved? How?

Holgate: I’m not sure the public school system as a whole can be saved. However, there is a lot that parents can do that will help protect their own children. For that reason, we included a chapter designed to give parents some practical steps they can take that can help. And for those who want to make a broader impact, we have also included information about ways to do that.

Baldwin: Vouchers might help since the current public education monopoly has no incentive to reform.

FP: Karen Holgate and Steve Baldwin, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.

Holgate: Thank you. Steve and I would love to hear from your readers. We can be contacted at FromCrayonstoCondoms.com. If anyone wants to share their personal stories, we’d love to hear those too.

Baldwin: Thank you.


Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine’s managing editor. He holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in U.S. and Canadian foreign policy. He edited and wrote the introduction to David Horowitz’s Left Illusions. He is also the co-editor (with David Horowitz) of The Hate America Left and the author of Canadian Policy Toward Khrushchev’s Soviet Union (McGill-Queens University Press, 2002) and 15 Tips on How to be a Good Leftist. To see his previous symposiums, interviews and articles Click Here. Email him at jglazov@rogers.com.

EMERGENT CHURCH OPENLY ACCEPTS PRACTICING HOMOSEXUAL “CHRISTIANS”

EMERGENT CHURCH OPENLY ACCEPTS PRACTICING HOMOSEXUAL “CHRISTIANS”

Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6, NASB)

The New Cult Of Liberal Theology With Its Emergent Fruit Of Homosexual Christians

If there was any wonder why I have been calling the Emergent Church, a cult of the new aka post-liberal theology then this ought to extract your head from the foul fog of alleged “postmodernism.” The designation of a cult fits precisely because this Emergent rebellion against the Word of God has its own leaders, its own methodology in how it interprets the Bible, it rejects the historic orthodox Christian faith recovered in the Protestant Reformation, and it preaches an inclusive reimagined version of the social gospel which deemphasizes the role of God the Holy Spirit–and for some EC leaders like Living Spiritual Teacher Richard Foster–also obscures even to the point of negating altogether the need for regeneration.

This Emergent cult has also introduced into evangelicalism itself the heretical practices of so-called “Christian” mysticism under the benign moniker of contemplative spirituality/mysticism. And there is an emerging man-love which has come forth as a direct result of the deception received by those who practice this transcendental meditation for the Christian. Now through this Emergent rebellion against the Bible men lacking evidence of regeneration like the following, who would dare to defy their Creator Christ Jesus while calling themselves Christian, have been given a voice even inside the largely non-discerning evangelical camp. In researching issues involving Emergent “Evangelical” Prophet Tony Campolo, who also happens to be a good friend of Emergent Guru Brian McLaren, I was later led to the ECWR website.

For those who don’t know and you may believe me I’m sorry you will even need to be made aware of this oxymoron; ECWR is the website for Evangelicals Concerned: Creating Safe Places for GBLT Christians, as in Gay, Bisexual, Lesbian, and Transgender “Christians.” You might be shaking your head at this point. Yes, that is exactly what I meant to write. Under Who Are We? We read:

In our walks of faith, we sometimes wrestle with issues surrounding our sexuality. Some faith communities may even shun us because we are different sexually from the majority.

Evangelicals Concerned (EC) provides safe and comfortable places for men and women to reconcile their Christian faith with their sexuality. By fostering a supportive community of believers, we desire to reunite people, regardless of their sexual orientation, with our friend, Jesus Christ.

So if you’re asking, can I be Christian and gay? We enthusiastically say Yes!

“Can you be Christian and gay?” God emphatically says No! Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders (1 Corinthians 6:9). Yet under the banner What’s Our Mission? they tell us, “Evangelicals Concerned (EC) is a non-denominational evangelical resource providing a community of fellowship that is a safe place for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Christians to reconcile and integrate their faith and sexuality, and to grow toward Christian maturity.” Ah, right. But this is the exactly the kind of nonexistent “Christian” faith in the twilight zone which the Emergent Church has now brought slithering right into mainstream evangelicalism.

The Ignorant And Unstable Twist Scripture To Their Own Destruction

One other pertinent issue for the discerning Christian would be to wonder how in the world could this be justified Biblically. It can’t. But you may find it interesting that in ECWR’s “frequently asked questions” section they still give it the ol’ satanic try:

2. How can you justify your biblical stance?

In the Bible, there is no record that Jesus Christ condemned homosexuality. Instead, Jesus always showed concern for people no matter who they were. An example included the Samaritan woman at the well who was living with a man who wasn’t her husband. Today, some Christians teach that we come to God “just as we are,” yet most of them exclude homosexuals and other sexual minorities from church fellowship. We ask why. God does not hold sexual orientation as a factor in salvation. Evangelicals Concerned has many reasons for advocating this position. Read our page on Homosexuality and the Bible for detailed questions and answers about this subject.

Well, they must be reading the new emerging Bible from Hell because the LORD God Almighty expressly condemned the abomination of the practice of homosexuality long before He walked upon His planet earth. So I would venture to say that Jesus simply didn’t feel the need to repeat Himself. And yikes, this is the kind of irreverent and unbiblical blether that Emergent leaders like Tony Jones can’t see through? Why Tony Jones? I cover this a bit further in Tony Jones Says , but for now our resident Emergent “theologian” is on record in Relevant Magazine as saying Emergent has, among others, “lesbian mainline pastors in New England… We haven’t yet found that there’s anything that justifies us breaking fellowship with somebody else who loves and is trying to follow Jesus.” (hard copy on file at AM)

But you see it doesn’t matter what these Emergent vipers say and it doesn’t matter at all what Emergent deceivers like Tony and Peggy Campolo say. The emerging truth is, as Ingrid Schlueter and Rev. Wayne Sedlak pointed out in their article Campolo and Homosexuality, that “Tony Campolo has tried to straddle the fence for years on the issue of homosexuality” (1). As a matter of fact Ingrid has also pointed out that for decades Peggy Campolo has been an outspoken gay supporter. And then again in Campolo and Homosexuality Schlueter and Sedlak inform us that Peggy Campolo has been forthright about:

her conversion to supporting open homosexuality and describing the vacations she and her husband take each year to the resort community of Provincetown, Massachusetts, she talks about the “holy presence of acceptance” she felt in the town which is known for its homosexual “culture”. The following are quotes from Peggy Campolo:

“I remember saying to Tony, ‘what I feel here is something of what I have always imagined I would feel in heaven.’ ”

“But I fell in love with Provincetown–not in spite of the gay and lesbian culture there, but because of it. And I have been going back for twenty years” (2)

Returning To More Emergent Defiance Of God’s Word

Peggy Campolo went “back” again to this issue so to speak when she was keynote speaker at the ECWR Women’s Retreat in July 2006. Her bio tells us of her own Emergent:

personal journey [which has] led her to integrate her faith with social justice. As a result, her personal faith in Jesus has been strengthened. She has become an advocate of justice for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered people and a strong proponent of full inclusion of GLBT people within the church.

If you want to know more about Peggy Campolo’s views on homosexual “Christians”, as well as those her husband Emergent Prophet Tony Campolo (at least as of 12/21/06), you will find them at Gay Christian.net which is also known as The Gay Christian Network (GCN). I say “as of” because Tony Campolo does not believe in the inerrancy and final authority of the Bible and this means his views will only continue to morph. Emergent Prophet Campolo’s bio on GCN gives us some key information in that he is:

professor emeritus of sociology at Eastern College in suburban Philadelphia, [and[ is a well-known and highly respected voice in evangelical Christianity today. Dr. Campolo is an ordained Baptist minister, a popular speaker, author of numerous books, and founder of a ministry which reaches out to poor and hurting people worldwide in the name of Jesus.

What I highlighted is sad enough in itself and only further shows just how far off track rapidly apostatizing evangelicalism truly is. And then at Tony Campolo.org Tony’s Biographical Sketch informs us:

Dr. Campolo is an ordained minister, [who] has served American Baptist Churches in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, and is presently recognized as an associate pastor of the Mount Carmel Baptist Church in West Philadelphia.

Mount Carmel Baptist Church where Dr. Campolo serves as associate pastor is also affiliated with American Baptist Churches USA and having been with the ABC myself in the early nineties I can tell you the Lord removed their lampstand long ago. Even back then this sad organization had already rejected the inerrancy and final authority of the Bible and was ordaining women to the office of pastor-teacher. Study it out for yourself and you will see that there is an absolute progression that happens to denominations who turn their back on God’s Word like this.

First the inclusive liberation theology of the social non-gospel comes to the forefront, the doctrine of Hell is rejected and then comes the open acceptance of homosexual “Christians.” At this point I remind you again that Emergent Prophet Campolo is a very good friend of chief waffler Brian McLaren. The eminent confusion of these two Emergent dreamers over what they believe about Holy Scripture is undoubtedly a major factor why in the article Brian McLaren on the Homosexual Question: Finding a Pastoral Response for CT’s Leadership Blog Swami McLaren is found whining:

Frankly, many of us don’t know what we should think about homosexuality. We’ve heard all sides but no position has yet won our confidence so that we can say “it seems good to the Holy Spirit and us.” That alienates us from both the liberals and conservatives who seem to know exactly what we should think. Even if we are convinced that all homosexual behavior is always sinful, we still want to treat gay and lesbian people with more dignity, gentleness, and respect than our colleagues do.

If we think that there may actually be a legitimate context for some homosexual relationships, we know that the biblical arguments are nuanced and multilayered, and the pastoral ramifications are staggeringly complex. We aren’t sure if or where lines are to be drawn, nor do we know how to enforce with fairness whatever lines are drawn.

Perhaps we need a five-year moratorium on making pronouncements.

Deny God’s Word And He Will Quickly Deny You

No, Brian and Tony what you both personally need to do is to either once and for all surrender your lives to Christ and be born again. Either that or you need to finally grow a spiritual backbone and begin preach the actual Gospel of the One you claim sent both of you to be among His pastor-teachers. I cover this issue of homosexuality further in Brian McLaren: What’s So Hard About That but history shows that as soon as a minister, a church, or a denomination caves in on the inerrancy of His Holy Scripture God very quickly abandons them.

In the end we have already seen that Peggy Campolo has rejected anything close to a proper Christian position of the issue of homosexuality. Brian McLaren himself is well on his way to embracing her heretical views himself because this is the direction the wind of popular opinion is blowing. And although Emergent Prophet Tony Campolo is publicly claiming (for now) that he “differs” from his wife right now on this issue of practicing homosexual “Christians” you may mark my words; when women run the church, and when women run the home, it is only a matter of time before Tony the tiger will be publicly dancing to Peggy’s sordid song on so-called homosexual “Christians.”

O yeah, you can be sure that eventually Emergent Evangelical Prophet Tony Campolo will also one day openly accept these practicing sinners as genuine believers just the same as Tony Jones has told us the Emergent Church itself already has. Take as an example the “god” of Emergent Pastor Jay Bakker personally told him that the practice of homosexuality is no longer sin:

“The more I follow grace, the more I’m drawn to him [God], the more I’m willing to stand up for people being persecuted,” says Jay today. “This sounds so churchy, but I felt like God spoke to my heart and said ‘[homosexuality] is not a sin.’ ” (Online source)

But hear the Word of the actual LORD God Almighty:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until Heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”

“Anyone who breaks one of the least of these Commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these Commands will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.” (Matthew 5:17-19)